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Posted By: Jerry P. on: 10/31/2007 23:54:05 EDT
Subject: RE: The Final Word

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Norm if I were you then I wouldn't seek out the God of the Bible, because that God is a schizophrenic, split-personalitied confused God. You wouldn't know whether to seek out the mean, vengeful, angry, wrathful God of the Old Testament, or the all-loving, merciful, forgiving, compassionate God of the New Testament which Jesus describes.

The fact is that Bob believes whole-heartedly in the Bible and is very defensive about its claim to be the Word of God, just as the Muslims are about their Koran. And they're both dead wrong. I'm a former fundamentalist and got completely out of Fundamentalism quite some time ago and found the Urantia Book at that time, and it's helped me greatly as its answered all of my questions about everything I've ever wanted to know. Which the Bible never could do. But, however, us Urantians feel that it's not for everybody. The book is way before its time, but it will probably be huge in about a couple hundred or so years from now. But like I said it's way before its time and those will seek the book only if they're ready for it. "When the student is ready then the Teacher appears."

Sometimes I still like to go to church on Sundays, but when I do I go to a liberal church which is inclusive of everybody regardless of their beliefs -- because this is what Jesus commanded. And the Urantia Book teaches this. I just can't ever go to a church which preaches constantly the fires of hell and wrath of God; I don't want to hear it because it's a bunch of BS. Whereas Bob is very intolerant and exclusive of everybody that doesn't think like he does, and he thinks everybody should go to the Baptist church because they're the true church and true religion and everybody else is wrong. Whereas I don't mind there being different churches and beliefs, because I know people think differently and variety adds spice to life.

Bob claims that science proves the Bible to be correct, when everyone knows this to be complete nonsense. He would claim that Adam and Eve were the first humans that appeared about 6000 years ago, when carbon dating completely refutes and debunks that, and instead proves that the first humans appeared here about a million years ago. The Urantia Book teaches that Andon and Fonta appeared on this planet about a million years ago, as through evolution they evolved from the lemur family. They were just more advance and much more intelligent than their parents were. Adam and Eve came much later, as they appeared on this planet about 37,000 years ago; they were here primarily to biologically upstep this planet, but they defaulted in their mission. The UB states that the earth came to be in its present form about a billion years ago, and that dinosaurs did, in fact, roam this planet about a few hundred million years ago.

When Adam and Eve defaulted on their mission, then mankind didn't inherit "original sin," but they were only the ones who sinned. Why on earth would God curse all of mankind because of the fact that Eve ate an apple she wasn't supposed to eat? Even the Bible says that if they ate of the apple then "Ye Shall Surely Die," -- not all of mankind!!!! Think about it for a minute.

And then Bob would say that the only reason Jesus came was merely to die. The Urantia Book states that Jesus came to proclaim the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of all mankind -- even though we're still a ways from that. We feel that Jesus was murdered by the evil Jewish leaders, with the consent of Pontius Pilate. We feel that Jesus is our Saviour. But the idea of the "atonement" in the Bible is a bunch of crap, because Paul wrote about that idea, because he felt that if Jesus would be a sacrifice for us, then that would do away with the sacrifices of animals, which is what the Jews believed in and is complete foolishness. And Paul felt the Jews would be won over to Christianity -- but his scheme completely backfired.

About a year ago or so Newsweek magazine had a lengthy article about the fact that there's absolutely no empirical evidence to prove that the earth was completely flooded because of "God's wrath," and Noah was the only righteous man left. But the Urantia Book, and science confirms, that the flood was only in a valley in Mesopotamia. And Noah, because of his scientific and analytical mind, knew that a flood in that region was coming because it was cyclical. And everyone else there in the villages mocked him and didn't listen. This happened at about 5000 BC. But about 5000 years later, the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, and they found great difficulty piecing the story together. And it occurred to them to go ahead and abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah's flood, and be in better position to trace Abraham right back to one of the three surviving sons of Noah. But Noah really lived; he was a winemaker of Aram, a river settlement near Erech.

In the Jesus papers, the Urantia Book elaborates as to how strict and how seriously the Jews took their religion. Did you know that they weren't allowed to play sports, and they weren't allowed to draw pictures or hang up pictures or portraits on walls, because they said this was idolotry? Yet they had the religious arrogance about themselves that they called themselves "God's chosen people," when even the Bible claims many, many times that God is absolutely no respecter of persons and that He treats everybody the same.

Norm, as a seeker of God, I'm just letting you know to do what you want to do. The Urantia Book may be extremely helpful for you as it was for me in understanding many things, and basically the Urantia Book is a retelling of the Holy Bible. But like I said, it isn't for everybody and the book is way before its time. But I think you'd be absolutely foolish right now to delve into the Bible, as it's been proved over and over again to be full of fables, fairy tales, myths, lies and old wives tales. But I think you're probably smart enough to already know that.

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